RE: WikiLeaks. I understand what the guys behind the leaks are trying to do (though I disagree with it completely) but I don't think it has much real value. It might be some posturing involved by world leaders but it's a rare occasion when Hillary Clinton, Dave Cameron and Ahmadinejad all agree about something--WikiLeaks sucks.
I've been quite fascinated by it, but when I stop and evaluate it, there is virtually nothing shocking from what I've read thus far. But I disagree with it, and though I'm sure the creator thinks he's improving democracy, this more amounts to anarchy.
the truth comes out about what a bunch of spineless, dishonest, backstabbing monsters the U.S. government is, and you guys think it's a bad thing?
don't tell me you actually buy the hook n' line about endangering American lives with these disclosures...come on guys - you wanna save American lives, then don't put them in harms way in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Yemen - the latter two countries are being bombed by the U.S. military and last time I checked, congress hasn't declared war.
if the wikileaks prove anything, it's that governments don't really give a damn about democracy or public opinion, and are interested only in their own power. so don't hate wikileaks for speaking truth to power, it's been a long time coming.
@Diallo but, but this will upset our way of life in America!
Im more interested in the political implications as a result of the Bank reveal.
@tony do you beleive it is because the existence of institutions like Wikileaks will cause an "escalation" in news stories and journalism? i.e. go deeper with the investigations and reporting, or risk losing even more credibility because of wikileaks?
Julian Assange has stated he has stuff on Russia and China that would "make your skin crawl". but he isn't going to release it because of its debated credibility. aren't these folks in the slightest worried about their lives? we've already seen Putin take out someone. and we've seen what happened to the likes of folks like Mordechai Vanunu. Why go around bragging about what you have? Its like he's trying to be J Edgar Hoover and John Gotti at the same time.
1. i think there's a difference between a bank leak and a diplomacy leak. even though i still prefer neither get leaked.
the only reason i think the blowback might be lessened is that every government on earth engages in subterfuge and "talks shit" behind their "allies" backs.
that said, none of us would want our work emails shared with everyone at work and at different companies.
it's not right.
2. pocho - allow us to disagree.
wikileaks is not speaking truth to power. speaking truth to power would be demanding an end to our bloated military industrial complex, being honest about the way our government is complicit in helping food companies makes us fat, lazy and disease prone. demanding and end to drug company monopolies that keep us sated but not cured. Saying that there were no WMD in Iraq. So many things that one doesn't need subterfuge to figure out.
George Carlin and Bill Hicks spoke truth to power. Bill Maher still does.
This is just airing dirty laundry and, while I don't think it puts lives at stake, I agree that's not the case, I think it DOES put relationships at stake that are in our interest.
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First off, RIP Leslie Neilsen.
RE: WikiLeaks. I understand what the guys behind the leaks are trying to do (though I disagree with it completely) but I don't think it has much real value. It might be some posturing involved by world leaders but it's a rare occasion when Hillary Clinton, Dave Cameron and Ahmadinejad all agree about something--WikiLeaks sucks.
I'm going to agree with a comment I read on Andrew Sullivan's blog... Wikileaks amounts to Journalistic Vandalism.
I understand we need to have a venue for information like this, but there should be some kind of ethical guidelines put behind this.
I'm curious to see how the US Media responds to the major US Bank reveal coming next, then the Big Pharma reveal thereafter...
I've been quite fascinated by it, but when I stop and evaluate it, there is virtually nothing shocking from what I've read thus far.
But I disagree with it, and though I'm sure the creator thinks he's improving democracy, this more amounts to anarchy.
For whatever its worth, as bit part player in the Main Stream Media, I'd like to share with you why I'm kinda happy with this.
Can't wait to hear your arguments.
man oh man,
the truth comes out about what a bunch of spineless, dishonest, backstabbing monsters the U.S. government is, and you guys think it's a bad thing?
don't tell me you actually buy the hook n' line about endangering American lives with these disclosures...come on guys - you wanna save American lives, then don't put them in harms way in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Yemen - the latter two countries are being bombed by the U.S. military and last time I checked, congress hasn't declared war.
if the wikileaks prove anything, it's that governments don't really give a damn about democracy or public opinion, and are interested only in their own power. so don't hate wikileaks for speaking truth to power, it's been a long time coming.
-pochovilla
i really want to hear the bank leak, not gonna lie
we know banks are evil, but maybe people will stop thinking people are worth looking up to simply because they have a lot of money
@Diallo but, but this will upset our way of life in America!
Im more interested in the political implications as a result of the Bank reveal.
@tony do you beleive it is because the existence of institutions like Wikileaks will cause an "escalation" in news stories and journalism? i.e. go deeper with the investigations and reporting, or risk losing even more credibility because of wikileaks?
Also,
Julian Assange has stated he has stuff on Russia and China that would "make your skin crawl". but he isn't going to release it because of its debated credibility. aren't these folks in the slightest worried about their lives? we've already seen Putin take out someone. and we've seen what happened to the likes of folks like Mordechai Vanunu. Why go around bragging about what you have? Its like he's trying to be J Edgar Hoover and John Gotti at the same time.
1. i think there's a difference between a bank leak and a diplomacy leak. even though i still prefer neither get leaked.
the only reason i think the blowback might be lessened is that every government on earth engages in subterfuge and "talks shit" behind their "allies" backs.
that said, none of us would want our work emails shared with everyone at work and at different companies.
it's not right.
2. pocho - allow us to disagree.
wikileaks is not speaking truth to power. speaking truth to power would be demanding an end to our bloated military industrial complex, being honest about the way our government is complicit in helping food companies makes us fat, lazy and disease prone. demanding and end to drug company monopolies that keep us sated but not cured. Saying that there were no WMD in Iraq. So many things that one doesn't need subterfuge to figure out.
George Carlin and Bill Hicks spoke truth to power. Bill Maher still does.
This is just airing dirty laundry and, while I don't think it puts lives at stake, I agree that's not the case, I think it DOES put relationships at stake that are in our interest.
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