So I bought a ticket to The Dark Knight tonight because everyone said that to see Christopher Nolan's masterpiece a second time is like seeing a whole new movie.
And man, were they right!
I bought a ticket to The Dark Knight, and though I'm not POSITIVE I walked into the right theater, the movie WAS totally different this time around.
This time the movie took place in a Jungle. And it was a lot funnier than I remember The Dark Knight being. But there was still at least one prominent black face in it.
Didn't look like Morgan Freeman, but that older black face, which was suspiciously Robert Downey Jr-esque, was the best part of the film. Hands down. I was only amazed by the level I got used to watching it (like the kid in "MASK") and the degree to which I believed in that character. Sure, there was one line delivered ham-fistedly. But other than that, he was my rock. I couldn't believe it.
WISH I could say the same for that other Joker in the movie (and this one was not played by Heath Ledger).
Is it the Ghostbusters-syndrome or the Revenge of the Nerds-syndrome that offends me more? Not sure.
What is Ghostbusters-syndrome? That's when a cast is full of your favorite comedic actors (Ramis, Akroyd, Murray), right until you get down to the black character (Hudson). Seriously, who's favorite Ghostbuster is Winston (to their credit, I heard they tried to get Pryor, then later Eddie, for Hudson's role).
After all, it's common, in movies with Ghostbusters-syndrome, that all the characters in the film are funny and interesting...and then the black guy comes along, and he's two-dimensional, uninteresting, and pretty much forgettable. Sadly, such is the case in the movie here (The Dark Knight...?). The fake black guy is way more interesting than the real one.
And what is Revenge of the Nerd-syndrome? This is when you, as a black film-goer, latch onto the one black character they are kind enough to give you, only to find out, later, that he's closeted.
Now there's nothing wrong with being gay. In fact, it's less about the character being gay than the creators of the film finding a way to soften the black guy's manhood. This is touchy and nuanced, to be sure, but often the black character is made too old (Morgan Freeman, Bleeding Gums Murphy) or too lovably obese to be a threat, or he's in a dress (in fact, Dave Chappelle has a clause in contracts specifically saying he will not put on a dress).
But in a movie where you have a white actor in blackface, and not to mention ALL of the minorities (Asians) are the bad guys (even the little baby ones), one wouldn't expect Chris Nolan to go there. But no. If he's not gay, the black guy might still be a little threatening, and even hit on someone Christian Bale wants. Ugh!
And lastly, don't do parodies of rap videos if you clearly don't know that much about what's going on in rap these days. Half of us don't even call it "rap" anymore.
And pass that along to the rest of Hollywood, which continues to crank out unfunny parodies of rap videos. Parody is best when you know what you're talking about - when you are an expert on what you're spoofing. And all too often, its clear most of Hollywood (white AND black) aren't experts.
So needless to say, I left having laughed more than I expected at The Dark Knight, but also feeling quite baffled. I'd love to meet with and work with Christopher Nolan some day. He's very funny. But if you're gonna bring it, bring it! Don't half-ass. Go to the source.
I think that's why the guy in make-up (who definitely brings it) is my favorite part of this film.
Hence, I ultimately didn't mind putting a few more dollars in the coffers of The Dark Knight.
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
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Tropic Thunder was amazing from beginning to end. It's not like you could see the twist (referring to Alpa Chino) coming from a mile away, and it ultimately makes him a deeper character. Ben Stiller IS the weak link, but he's also wearing 3 hats for this movie, so he gets a bit of a pass from me. He does his schtick, and everyone knows it's coming, so you can't really expect anymore or any less
Hats off to Stiller and crew: Tropic Thunder left me laughing pretty hard.
And yes, I believe RDJ killed it.
(How about you, Bashir? Did you take some time out to see, ahem... "The Dark Night" again?)
I won't be seeing Tropic Thunder.
(unless I accidentally stumble across it on cable.)
Explained why in a previous post.
@ Adam
Look, I don't want to come off as the enemy of good laughs and comedy here. I'm saying, the movie is funnier and far less offensive than I ever feared.
But as I wrote this post, I wondered, "are people going to think I'm dissing gay people?" That moment of self-reflection always comes into play when I try to create something. I often wonder if others in Hollywood also have that moment. I'd like to think they do.
So I hope one day, me and B can do our own movie like this one. A big budget parody. Maybe even with one of our heroes. Stiller. Ferrell. Apatow. Christopher Guest. Who knows...
I just want everyone to feel like they are in on the joke and can laugh along....
@ Williams
Yep. RDJ is actually pretty awesome in that scene as the "actor."
But Downey was quietly a hero of mine back in the 80s, and when he did Chaplin.
I also think he fed Jack Black some of those lines about what its like to kick a drug addiction. Sounded almost too real to be funny.
Agreed.
actually jack black as admitted he had a drug problem.
I too saw "The Dark Knight" again with Diallo and have a couple of comments:
#1. This movie is offensive. There are a lot of cheap laughs on easy targets. IMHO a cheap laugh does not equal a good laugh and I'd say the ratio of cheap/good is 5/1.
#2. RDJ by FAR delivered the better laughs in this movie. I'd say 85-90% of his lines just flat out "worked". My theory: They knew this role was going to cause flack so they scrubbed it MANY times over...Too bad they didn't scrub the other characters as thoroughly.
#3. Bashir: I'm a little surprised that you're sticking to your guns on this. Diallo & I didn't pay to see this movie (as I alluded to in your original thread) so i felt no guilt in seeing it for MYSELF. You don't have to AGREE with Diallo and myself on RDJ's performance, but to judge it without seeing it is well...ignorant.
#4. Jack Black is given really nothing to do in this movie. He's a one trick pony, my second greatest source of disappointment in this flick.
#5. Brandon T. Jackson who plays Alpa Chino in this movie is flat out marooned in this movie on two counts:
- He doesn't have the star power to compete with the other "name" actors on screen (Tracy Morgan wasn't interested? Really?).
- He isn't given decent material at all to work with (nor do I imagine he was able to improvise some better stuff in.
#6. Tom Cruise being funny JUST because it's Tom Cruise is NOT funny. Tom Cruise being funny because he's actually being funny IS Funny. Unfortunately, his performance trends to the former...
@Craig
I know it's hard for anyone to stick to their guns nowadays. I know it's more fashionable to be malleable like the wind and have no conviction or integrity...but I guess I was just raised wrong.
I don't like watching black face. Also, Craig, while I appreciate being called "ignorant" that label would only apply if I had judged the fucking movie.
I'm NOT judging it. I don't wanna see someone in black face for an hour and a half.
Now...if I'm wrong and the poster is only a single scene, an RDJ isn't slathered up in negro makeup for the film...then yes, I am being ignorant.
other wise, buddy, you're way off.
One other thing, since I'm still annoyed by this.
Who the hell cares if I see this movie or not? I mean, damn, do they give each black person who goes to see a gift basket? Or a free year subscription to Essence Magazine? What am I missing here?
I didn't see MEET THE BROWNS either, and yet...nothing, no one seemed to think it mattered I wasn't in attendance.
Also, I missed ATONEMENT, LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE, WELCOME HOME ROSCOE JENKINS, THE INCREDIBLE HULK (I liked Ang Lee's version) and COLLEGE ROAD TRIP.
So...I guess I'm "ignorant" for choosing not to see those movies as well. Never judged a one, just didn't wanna see them. Something in ALL those trailers made me go "I'll sit this one out."
Really irks me when I'm attacked inaccurately.
YOU DON'T WANT THIS, HOMEBOY!!
@Bashir
Who the hell cares if I see this movie or not?
Well, forgive me for speaking on behalf of everyone here... but I think we ALL care about you seeing this movie.
You see, while "Tropic Thunder" touches on many different things, the intersection of race relations, hollywood, and comedy is one of the most important issues addressed in the film. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that THE major topic of your blog? We care about you seeing this movie because it's exactly what you are about. If anything, I think we're just anxious to get your perspective on it since you're a comedian, by trade... and a black man, by birth. We could give a damn about you seeing Little Miss Sunshine because it has nothing to do with you... this movie, in a way, has EVERYTHING to do with you.
It reminds me how pissed off some of my friends were when I didn't post a reaction on the Obama race relations speech. Seeing that I blogged about politics and race most of the time, they were anxious for my take on the issue.
@Williams.
fair enough. But I will, in this one instance, defer to the judgment of my co-bloggers.
Nice... I saw Brandon T. Jackson on the street and he asked what did I think about the gay part... (he laughed but seemed ashamed)
I saw this film for a second time recently and didn't laugh half as much as I did the second time
RDJ was amazing but everything else was super spotty (meaning only funny here and there)... I don't know if they cut shit out or what but it sucked
and they had way too many wipe cuts... who did they get to edit it?... Jack Daniels?
@ thomas
you know Brandon? what does he think about the controversy overall?
@Diallo... I don't know him as a friend... I saw him at the HaHa Cafe one night that Ian and I performed stand up... we talked for a second and exchanged numbers but we haven't talked since
I was interested in having him host a show that I created but I soon realized that I could do that myself
More on Brandon....
after I told him I saw a screening of it, he was asked me a lot of questions... and at one point said "Wasn't that fucked up how they did me in the end?"
@ Bashir: "Also, Craig, while I appreciate being called "ignorant" that label would only apply if I had judged the fucking movie."
Please believe me, I tend to choose my words fairly carefully. I meant no disrespect.
You're correct, in your original "post" you mentioned your objection and stood by that (also for the record, I had your back on that reasoning). I respect that.
That being said, I also feel like you went beyond your original "issue with blackface" stand when you:
#1. said, "working in hollywood, I can tell you that this is not a creation of people pushing the boundaries comedy in a positive way...This is people who know they won't be held to account. pure and simple." I felt that was kinda broad considering you hadn't seen the movie and your point here goes beyond your original blackface argument.
#2. created a subsequent "More On Tropic Thunder" posting, pointing to a blog of someone who did not enjoy the film (effectively substituting his negative POV for a movie you had already declared you weren't seeing).
This is SO frustrating because I want you to see this movie so we can have a dialogue about it and you refuse to see it. I respect that, but I also think you're argument has grown beyond your original point.
Since I used the terms "ignorant" based upon MY interpretations of your subsequent posts and comments, I'll respectfully rescind my use of the term.
If you get anything from that last post, people please remember.... that Craig has respect for Bashir
i haven't seen this much internal fighting since the Democratic primary
@everyone
Reading this post and it's subsequent comments forced me to overturn my original stance NOT to see this movie. It's hard to knock a movie I haven't seen and it was getting difficult complaining about it to people that had actually seen it and were defending it. I told myself that after I saw it, I would leave the theater offended armed with evidence of the movies racial offenses...
I saw it yesterday, via my Dark Knight movie ticket(just in case I was offended) and I really enjoyed it. And when I say 'it', I mean Robert Downey Jr. I was in awe of his performance. That was a tough role to pull off and he did.
It's still blackface and blackface is still not ok and should not be making a comeback, but somehow this didn't bother me. At all. He was a serious actor, playing a serious actor, playing a character. It's unfortunate that the trailer and preview can very easily be taken out of context. So for those of you that haven't seen it, see it, then decide how you feel. The trailer is offensive, the movie wasn't.
....also, I said the string of comments forced me to overturn my decision, but it was specifically the fact that Diallo saw it and enjoyed RDJ. You sparked my interest Riddle and I'm so glad you did. :-)
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